tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post422219065258655428..comments2024-03-22T14:47:42.501+02:00Comments on Tibeto-logic: Tantra's Ineluctable LogicUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-84952407889084575792013-12-24T18:46:53.715+02:002013-12-24T18:46:53.715+02:00i just hear about this bok "kosher sutra"...i just hear about this bok "kosher sutra": The Kosher Sutra offers an Eastern, Tantra and kabbalistically-inspired:"<br /><br />i don´t know what to think about using the word tantra in that context.<br />anyway: ངང་པའི་འགྲོས་འདྲ་གླང་ཆེན་དྲེགས་ལྟར་ཤེགས་པ་པོ།<br />You walk like the king goose and the graceful elephant.<br /><br />dharmaConceição https://www.blogger.com/profile/02145262038313454851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-43556600151119862552013-11-28T10:31:06.071+02:002013-11-28T10:31:06.071+02:00I think it's full of illusions up to the very ...I think it's full of illusions up to the very end, just like the Path to Enlightenment. But once they taste the fruit, that's the real test, isn't it? Not that I've tested it in my own laboratory. Now I have a rope to climb.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-54887735294132261652013-11-27T18:49:41.713+02:002013-11-27T18:49:41.713+02:00More news about the banyan. Mircea Eliade writes: ...More news about the banyan. Mircea Eliade writes: "In the Bengali poem Gopī-candrer Pāṃcalī, when Gorakhnath initiated the princess Mayanāmatī, he made a banana tree/banyan (in the French translation) grow from a seed in a few hours (this is the miracle known as the "mango trick”). At the same initiation, Gorakhnath fed 25,000 yogins and disciples on a single grain of rice." (Yoga, Immortalitya and Freedom).<br /><br />If your laboratory gear is still out, you could try this "mango trick" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39QKGknt6fE Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-27080571457820026442013-11-16T19:33:27.678+02:002013-11-16T19:33:27.678+02:00Dear M,
I know, very funny whether they are ducks...Dear M,<br /><br />I know, very funny whether they are ducks or geese... Well, geese are a lot funnier, really hilarious, when you see them run around in their gaggles. What do you suggest for the elephant? Maybe grave and stately? Anyway, I think monks are supposed to walk like ducks, or geese, since it's considered a modest way of walking. Or am I sadly mistaken here?<br /><br />Yours<br />DDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-17065618351458404392013-11-16T16:25:46.246+02:002013-11-16T16:25:46.246+02:00This reminds me of a line from a nyungne practice,...This reminds me of a line from a nyungne practice, as translated by a khenpo.<br /><br /><br />ངང་པའི་འགྲོས་འདྲ་གླང་ཆེན་དྲེགས་ལྟར་ཤེགས་པ་པོ།<br />You walk like the king goose and the graceful elephant.<br /><br />Many of us were amused by picturing the goose walking. <br />(Also translating དྲེགས་ as graceful is pretty dreadful.)<br /><br />MichaelMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028512214227413331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-56271976232932555502013-11-16T13:04:57.891+02:002013-11-16T13:04:57.891+02:00Yes this is very powerful stuff. Saraha was an exc...Yes this is very powerful stuff. Saraha was an excellent gardener. I will publish Advayavajra's commentary one day.<br /><br />The Banyan tree is a funny tree. "is a fig that starts its life as an epiphyte (a plant growing on another plant) when its seeds germinate in the cracks and crevices on a host tree (or on structures like buildings and bridges)" And also "Older banyan trees are characterized by their aerial prop roots that grow into thick woody trunks which, with age, can become indistinguishable from the main trunk".<br /><br />The formal bodies grow out of the dharmakaya, but that which pervades the triple universe is the dharmakaya.<br /><br />BTW The last verse of your quote only exists in the Tibetan translation, not in the original apabhraṃśa. But it seems to rephrase <br />སེམས་ཉིད་གཅིག་པུ་ཀུན་གྱི་ས་བོན་ཏེ།།<br />གང་ལས་སྲིད་ངང་མྱ་ངན་འདས་འཕྲོ།།<br />འདོད་པའི་འབྲས་བུ་སྟེར་བར་བྱེད་པ་ཡི།།<br />ཡིད་བཞིན་ནོར་འདྲའི་སེམས་ལ་ཕྱག་འཚལ་ལོ།།<br />Which Longchenpa uses as doctrinal support for his dzogchen theory (See Mathes, Buddha within, p. 99).<br />Anyway, I see the same theme all along in Aryadeva’s verses. Something small (monad/tattva) is the seed of both saṁsāra and nirvāṇa. It may grow into a big tree, but still is basically the monad. One can find it even in fat, butter, wood (matter), in the form of a flame that can dispell darkness (the « aura » of matter). « Matter » is like poison, but it still contains the monad. When used intelligently, only the tattva is used, the poison is left untouched. Or it feeds (butter, wick) the flame that will consume it. It is also found in Nāgārjuna’s chos kyi dbyings su bstod pa. <br /><br />62. ji ltar 'o ma dang 'dres chu/<br />snod gcig na ni gnas pa las/<br />ngang pas 'o ma 'thung byed cing*/<br />chu ni ma yin de bzhin gnas/<br />63. de bzhin nyon mongs kyis g.yogs nas/<br />ye shes lus 'dir gcig gnas kyang*/<br />rnal 'byor pa yis ye shes len/<br />mi shes pa ni 'dor bar byed/<br />Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-57786768850889182592013-11-15T18:30:57.421+02:002013-11-15T18:30:57.421+02:00Oh, here it is:
གཉིས་མེད་སེམས་ཀྱི་སྡོང་པོ་དམ་པ་ནི...Oh, here it is:<br /><br />གཉིས་མེད་སེམས་ཀྱི་སྡོང་པོ་དམ་པ་ནི།།<br />ཁམས་གསུམ་མ་ལུས་ཀུན་དུ་ཁྱབ་པར་སོང་།།<br />སྙིང་རྗེའི་མེ་ཏོག་གཞན་ཕན་འབྲས་བུ་འཛིན།།<br />མིང་ནི་མཆོག་ཏུ་གཞན་ལ་ཕན་པའོ།།<br /><br />སྟོང་པའི་སྡོང་པོ་དམ་པ་མེ་ཏོག་རྒྱས།།<br />སྙིང་རྗེ་དམ་པ་སྣ་ཚོགས་དུ་མར་ལྡན།།<br />ལྷུན་གྱིས་གྲུབ་པ་ཕྱི་མའི་འབྲས་བུ་སྟེ།།<br />བདེ་བ་འདི་ནི་གཞན་པའི་སེམས་མིན་ནོ།།<br /><br />སྟོང་པའི་སྡོང་པོ་དམ་པའི་སྙིང་རྗེ་མིན།།<br />གང་ལ་སླར་ཡང་རྩ་བ་མེ་ཏོག་ལོ་འདབ་མེད།།<br />དེ་ལ་དམིགས་པར་བྱེད་པ་གང་ཡིན་པ།།<br />དེར་ལྷུང་བས་ནི་ཡན་ལག་མེད་པར་འགྱུར།།<br /><br />ས་བོན་གཅིག་ལ་སྡོང་པོ་གཉིས།།<br />རྒྱུ་མཚན་དེ་ལས་འབྲས་བུ་གཅིག།<br />དེ་ཡང་དབྱེར་མེད་གང་སེམས་པ།།<br />དེ་ནི་འཁོར་དང་མྱ་ངན་འདས་རྣམས་གྲོལ།།<br />Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-6403083431786372602013-11-15T18:17:30.755+02:002013-11-15T18:17:30.755+02:00Oh, now I remember. Isn't that Guenther's...Oh, now I remember. Isn't that Guenther's (or Snellgroves?) translation of Saraha. Do you know the textual basis for it? I have a feeling it isn't quite right. Can't quite put my finger on it. Not sure I should.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-27443627701662894252013-11-15T18:15:33.109+02:002013-11-15T18:15:33.109+02:00J, I had what I thought was a damned fine response...J, I had what I thought was a damned fine response to your comment, but the Google box swallowed it, and now I forgot what I said. Maybe I wasn't supposed to say it. Maybe I just don't know what I'm supposed to say. I feel like saying something bad or unacceptable. There, maybe I said it. Read "Hamlet's Mill" if you haven't yet. I can't remember what it said, but I can tell you it was really very good at blaming practically everything on the star lore.<br />Yours,<br />DDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-42922792515797868602013-11-11T09:04:51.594+02:002013-11-11T09:04:51.594+02:00PS an image is worth a thousand words http://commo...PS an image is worth a thousand words http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cygnus.jpg<br /><br />Loot at the ends of the open beak of the cygnus.Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-6248151600946629802013-11-11T08:57:47.182+02:002013-11-11T08:57:47.182+02:00Big trees growing from a tiny seed makes me also t...Big trees growing from a tiny seed makes me also think of the end of Saraha's Dohakosagiti. They spread through the triple world, and yet they spring from one seed. <br /><br />The fair tree of thought that knows no duality,<br />Spreads through the triple world.<br />It bears the flower and fruit of compassion,<br />And its name is service of others. (Tr. Snellgrove)<br /><br />The two trees spring from one seed,<br />And for that reason there is but one fruit.<br />He who thinks of them thus indistinguishable,<br />Is released from Nirvana and Samsara.<br /><br />I only read Francis de Sales after having been in contact with Tibetan Buddhism, and have always been struck by the similarity of his teaching style and that of Tibetans. He uses a lot of exemples from nature. And someone (I have forgotten who, where and when, sorry) actually went to the trouble of checking whether his exemples were true. Many weren't, but that doesn't matter. <br /><br />If you're interested in the subject (and I know you are because of Padampa Animal Kingdom), here's a thesis about Francis de Sales and Nature. In French... http://docnum.univ-lorraine.fr/public/UPV-M/Theses/1987/Tournade.Michel.LMZ8704_1.pdf <br /><br />I had an afterthought about the swan. If you can't make sense of an analogy, I have learned to look at the stars. We do have a cygnus. And at the end of this constellation there is a beak, a star called Albireo (β Cygni), apparently originally an Arab name meaning exactly that "beak". And it seems to be one of the most beautiful double golden stars. The most shiny of the two stars is yet another double star.<br /><br />I wonder whether this may have anything to do with the swan's gift? Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-23528498384091709982013-11-10T17:31:06.102+02:002013-11-10T17:31:06.102+02:00Dear J,
I've noticed a passage that says the ...Dear J,<br /><br />I've noticed a passage that says the seed of this tree the Banyan measures one quarter the size of a mustard seed, yet five hundred chariots can go beneath its branches without touching. It's only a bit of an exaggeration, if you've ever seen these amazing trees. But here the smallness of the tiny seed is used as a metaphor for introducing as a (homeopathic) antidote some very small and apparently insignificant thing. There is what I'd call a different metaphor using the mustard seed where it's located in the heart, and in this case I think it probably fits your quote from the Gospel of Thomas. But on 2nd thought maybe it does fit your quote from Thomas... For some reason I just can't decide what's right and wrong today.<br /><br />I heard somewhere that some Tibetans in India - probably one of those overzealous beginners in the "Science for Monks" program — in a fit of scientific inquisitiveness, decided to test the theory and make the poor hansa deal with watered down milk, but the results were, even more than the milk, mixed... Now I forgot where I heard it from, any idea? May as well keep the rumor going.<br /><br />If it's ngang-pa in Tibetan we say duck, but if it is standing for the hansa we say swan, even though the Indic texts intend the goose (we rationalize that the image of the swan better fits with western romantic notions about that bird, and not the goose...), but then ngang-pa might be taken to intend the whole lot of them. Oh what a tangled net we weave when first we practice to translate (I mean, deceive, not that anybody needs to know that). Sometimes the search for meaning is like a wild goose chase. Or duck chase. But hey, if you've got the energy go for it.<br /><br />DDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453904366382251766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32671574.post-39224429290792600492013-11-09T14:36:42.112+02:002013-11-09T14:36:42.112+02:00Dear Dan,
That was a lovely read. I am looking fo...Dear Dan,<br /><br />That was a lovely read. I am looking forward to becoming old and wise like you (no irony). I have often read about this wondrous gift of the swan and wonder whether there is any biological truth in it? Any at all, even remotely. Where does this idea come from?<br /><br />Also, my wild imagination (it never ever stops, you know...) thinks it recognises the gnostic idea of the mustard seed. I only have the French translation handy, sorry. <br /><br />"[Le Royaume des cieux] est comparable à un grain de moutarde. Il est le plus petit parmi toutes les semences, mais lorsqu'il tombe sur la terre travaillée, elle produit une grande branche et elle devient un abri pour les oiseaux du ciel." Evangile selon Thomas, logion 20 <br /><br />J Hridayarthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713264962804395563noreply@blogger.com